In Reply to: Re: How serious are you? posted by L.E. on October 28, 2006 at 07:27
You could possibly have some points, I'm no doctor!
This is just what I have found from personal experience and talking to others on the subject.
There can of course be other complications. For example, imagine you train yourself to go during then night, to the point where you are genuinely unconcious when you wet. But you are doing it in a diaper (no mess, no sheets get ruined etc).
Then you take the diaper away, and wear pjs to bed. There is a good chance you will still sleep soundly and happily pee in your pjs without even stirring. There is also the chance however that without the diaper, your brain will go back into danger mode, as a part of you may not be 100% relaxed about peeing on your bed rather than in your diaper.
Now, lets get down to it -
You said:
"if you're trying to wet in your sleep isn't it better to try to avoid waking except in response to the urge (and try to time things so the urge will strike when it's least likely to wake you?)"
I would say that I believe waking and wetting is not going to train you to wake up. The beauty of doing it this way is that in most cases you will only be semi concious. Ever switched your alarm off in the morning, gone back to sleep and woken up with no memory of turning the alarm off? I know I have. Well apply the same principle, but instead of turning the alarm off, you pee while still being pretty much half asleep. You fall back asleep quickly when that happens. That is the closes you can get to peeing in your sleep without actually needing something to trigger it.
Now to your second point:
"Training wetting as response to the presence of a diaper and generating real loss of control can only be told when one doesn't wear diapers and either does or doesn't wet (whichever is your objective)."
I agree, it could perhaps happen that when you go back to pants in the daytime you will find you wet yourself by genuine accident. But I even wrote in the original post that thats possible. I don't believe it likely, but if the person involved wanted reassurances they could use a pull up and treat them like pants.
Finally:
"Also,different people seem to find unconscious wetting easier to develop by day or by night."
I'm not sure about that statement. Completely unconcious wetting by day is the very final end product. To be completely unconsious it means that your brain cannot register the fact you a peeing as you let it out. And to do that, that will involve the muscles that work the bladder. You will have to basically make those muscles not work anymore, so that you literally don't hold it in. Or of course the signal from the bladder to the brain (saying "I'm full, empty me!") can be disrupted. This is usually what is seen in incontinent people who have suffered some kind of trauma or spinal injury, such as US soldier Private Jessica Lynch, who was made famous for the injuries (and her consequent rescue) in Iraq. She is now incontinent and wears diapers.